Google gave dejanseo.com.au, the domain of Dejan Marketing, a harsh manual action that led to a loss in rankings for even for their brand name Dejan SEO. Was it fair? They didn’t build any links, they say. Legit website receives link penalty? Who is next?
Google gave the agencies’ domain dejanseo.com.au a harsh penalty that led to
It sounds like Google very harsh against an agency that hasn’t made any mistakes and distanced themselves from any Blackhat or even grey hat tactics for a long time.
Is this a case of negative SEO?
Is this the new switch of the Penalty System to a more automated approach as it was mentioned by Google just a couple weeks ago that went berserk on Dan’s website?
Legit website receives link penalty?
Spoiler: this case is not unusual and no surprise for us. At LRT we’ve been recommending ongoing Link Risk Management since 2013. However only six years later we have a new automated product that will help single webmasters take care of dozens of websites.
Interesting enough some high-profile industry people really thought that link penalties were gone and the recent couple more public ones are a new spike.
Not at all.
I certainly cannot say that Manual actions went down since Penguin 4.0 from three years ago. In fact pretty stable until end 2018, where we saw a massive rise until now. Lots of Manual Actions seem to be even harder to get rid now also…
If you are in the group of people that believe “Google will take care of your disavows” let me tell you that they are not. At least not always. Who knows.
Want to bet your (business) life on it? I guess not.
This harsh domain-wide Google Penalty will get lifted with our experience, like 1000s of others were lifted since 2012.
I had the pleasure to be on a Zoom call with Dan Petrovic and learn more about their situation.
Dan Petrovic confirmed, that they decided to finally migrate their company to a new domain.
DejanMarketing.com is a kind of fresh domain.
The rebranding to “Dejan Marketing” happened years ago, and they always pushed the migration back.
Now that we’re in the water, we need to swim. ~Dan Petrovic
Dan and his team
So all “good links” shall be moved over, with the old ones left behind.
Will they succeed in this undertaking?
Make sure you read the full blog about the “Link Move Experiment” and the historical changes with daily log entries.
When I heard about the plan, I immediately fired up my tools to do a due diligence of the new home for Dan’s website.
After all you don’t want to migrate your website to a domain that has problems by itself.
A couple things I found about DejanMarketing.com seemed concerning, but were discussed with Dan. I find it valuable to mention them here to give the experiment, as Dan calls it more context.
DejanMarketing.com had a template website on it from 2016 to mid 2019.
During those 3.5 years Google could figure out that they belong to the same company due to same Email-domain dejanseo.com.au, same phone number and same address. Typical pattern.
The old hobby site Analogik.com linked to DejanMarketing.com from 2016 to ca. Jun 2019 since when the Analogik.com site threw server errors according to WebArchive.org
Interesting part here. Some links of the “template site” that was on DejanMarketing.com, were linking to the same URLs of the now active website on DejanMarketing.com
We can see that pretty well in the link trace for the linking home page Analogik.com
What was interesting is that John Müller of Google chimed in and pointed out, that Google would treat the two websites the same. So an explicit 301 redirect would not be required.
What he leaves open is, if that means the manual action would also pass over or not.
We keep a reminder for this important question here.
While some people may consider DejanSEO moving to a new domain to some sort of evade the Google penalty.
The practice to redirect penalized domains or even just pages worked really well for a very long time and is not uncommon in Blackhat circles. However these days you need to have your sources clean to not inherit any bad signals.
The Orca method described by LRT Certified Professional Bart Goralewicz was a pretty fancy approach in times before Google Penguin was ongoing AKA “real-time” and changes would work in also on the same domain.
Dan Petrovic wants to highlight that he sees his exercise of the domain move as the very ultimate link disavow. If you look at it from that point it doesn’t seem like just another SEO trick but a genuine move towards a clean slate.
And then some people assume that Dan is trying to put the blame on someone else. But he’s a great guy and director of his company.
And while he can remember exactly who and and when did those Link Experiments and Scholarships back in 2014, those employees were just that - his employees.
Dan owns this and takes full responsibility, for the penalty and the clean up.
…but I do remember exactly which staff member wanted to try out that technique. Before it went spammy. But what I said is true we weren’t link building in the last 5 years. Instead we were earning our links. ~Dan Petrovic - via DM 2019-08-28
Dan was one, if not THE, very first SEO who pointed very clearly out how poor link networks were manufactured, and that they ultimately have to fail the moment people start to cut corners, of if they get to big (AKA “Public” instead of “Private” blog networks, like some of the large networks penalized just a year later)
So between that article and 2014 we completely phased out all forms of link building with little experiments here in there if my staff wanted to try something new It was a gradual process it took years to wean people off :) “But Dan”, they would say… And then I hear about some cool link building idea. ~Dan Petrovic - via DM 2019-08-28
But now let’s get started looking at the actual victim - the agency site of DejanSEO that brought in the dough - until this day.
WOW. almost 1700 DTOXRISK.
Everything above 1000 usually means a penalty if you include NoFollow links in the analysis, enable all default options (i.e. not use Link Detox Tune to tweak the Link Detox Genesis algo for your “special niche”) , use stand.
And that’s what we see here confirmed.
Starting with the section on the right, the Issue we see
There’s a disavow file that was changed and not yet uploaded. Maybe because they added links to it since. But this is more important in the ongoing in the team.
Links from Virus and Malware sites are the worst. You always want to disavow them, as too many of those can cause your website get flagged as Malware site itself. That would mean an immediate loss of all traffic for Google and other search engines.
The Globe Spam. A common spam footprint that became so common that we automated it here. The next step is that we automate the clicking of the “Fix” button for you. However, if you’re not used to it you can easily confuse it with a negative SEO attack as Dan did.
Very high-risk links with “Unavailable Status” are a Negative SEO pattern we know and warn from. Having over 3000 of such links is a clear call to action. Luckily it will only take one click to do a first machete style disavow.
More Links with very high risk call for review. Often there are some very obvious toxic links (to the trained SEO eye) among them, but sometimes you may find links to keep. Do not expect this to be a one-click action. The fact that we have over 11.500 seems scary, but we have a lot of extra feature to support the review, namely fast sort and filter operations (more on that later).
And a lot of Money keywords on weak domains! What’s a money keyword? Well “SEO” is, “Link Building” is - any generic phrase. When we look at the anchor text breakdown next we spot a lot of them - and some of them seem very scary.
Links from Private Blog Networks (PBNs) - oh wow... didn’t Dan say they didn’t build links? Where are these coming from? Certainly requires more time to review, but this sounds like it could be part of a negative SEO attack - some competitor of Dejan Marketing building bad links to them.
Good links disavowed? It happens to everyone, including myself. The LRT system gives you a clear signal about it.
Be aware - and you’ll see it in the video - there are a lot more issues, but this is good for a taster.
Looking at the next screenshot we see how we sort the anchor text (the linking word) by estimated risk (DTOXRISK).
While we’re in the keyword breakdown I’m curious to see how the internal linking structure is optimized, as we can still assume that “everything goes” for internal links.
And wow, I like it - very simple, straight forward internal linking with the main money keywords.
I’ve talked about internal linking in the past and will continue to do so, as we’ve finally connected the dots from external to internal links, and loops and redirects in and out of the site, and back.
So that topic is exciting for me, but not for this penalty. At least I assume so for now.
By typing in “Scholarship” in the anchor text box we get to see only those links with Scholarship in the anchor.
And immediately, judging from the grey color for one anchor text and the deep red for others we see that we’ve missed to disavow some scholarship links.
Dan Petrovic told me that they simply didn’t find all those links in other tools.
And that’s true. In fact, a lot of those links were not disavowed at all. Other only with page-level disavows. That’s not what I call “Machete style”.
While taking a screenshot showing that some pages had two links to DejanSEO.com.au I noticed that their team has removed the landing page and return a “410 gone” error that instructs Google to ignore the page.
I don’t believe this will help in lifting the penalty.
Just like with NOFOLLOW links, it’s the spamming intention that is penalized.
Google has said a couple times that you don’t need to worry about NoFollow links, but they also said the opposite.
That’s why we support both opinions in the software LinkResearchTools (LRT) since 2014. The user decides if he wants to evaluate the risk of NoFollows or ignore them completely.
My personal advice - make sure you audit and disavow NoFollows as well.
My first 25 minutes of Link Audit in Link Detox Smart are shown in the video below.
Enjoy & Learn - we’ll continue below.
But first finally a
The software shown, Link Detox Smart, is the most recent innovation that we worked on for over two years.
All our experience about links, SEO and penalties from over a decade with LinkResearchTools (LRT) are in there.
BUT - a 25-minute link audit just doesn’t cut it. By no means should you assume that this is the typical process of a link audit.
To use the software for yourself you need to properly
So, to be clear, I need more time with the data myself, and will update this or another post for sure.
See also this thread.
The video gives you an idea of how fast you can spot those links that you can safely disavow in bulk. Matt Cutts coined this the “Machete Disavow style” saying
Many SEOs don’t know this, but you can always Undisavow your links. After successful recrawl (we recommend using Link Detox Boost (BOOST) for that) of those undisavowed links, they work in really fast (that changed with Real Time Penguin in September 2016)
The second part of my link audit shows some very dangerous links found that need to be disavowed.
In this video I show exactly how I got there, in case you wanted to more details.
There were some links disavowed in the past, but DejanSEO’s team didn’t use LRT for that.
So, we spotted pretty strong ones (as measured by LRT Power*Trust) that were not disavowed yet.
These links could certainly cause the penalty, as very experienced Rick Lomas, LRT Certified Professional and LRT and Link Detox user since 2013 confirmed.
There were more spooky looking links as “leftovers” from SEO tests… 50 questionable links not disavowed yet, so we recommend just get rid of it.
Better safe than sorry with the Matt Cutts Machete link audit style.
While the twitter convo has been going on, I came across quite a lot of interesting questions that I just want to link from here for you to read up on, maybe expand on the topic later.
Downloading the disavow file now would probably get you disavow some pretty cool links that were false positive.
We haven’t spent a single minute on
And as you probably saw in the video, there’s
But Dejan SEO
Lacking the navigation of the site you now depending on Google recrawling all the links, and acting upon it. Not sure if they submit an (old) sitemap?
However, running the full url map through Link Detox Boost would get them crawled and Google act on those 410 faster.
The other thing that happened
It kind of makes sense for Google to show both sites now, now?
It was to be said that on August 30 as detailed above the situation became a very untypical SEO experiment that we (so far) do not recommend to repeat.
We simply don’t know how this may end up, but the current situation of Google surfacing multiple pages with 410 is very undesirable for anyone - the user searching, the publisher and of course Google.
Probably the click-through and and bounce-backs to the SERP for these URLs will be dramatic. That could then cause other mechanisms inside Google to remove these results quick.
On August 31, 2019, the manual penalty was already lifted! This is very pleasing! Further details will follow, especially how to proceed with the old domain and the brand searches.
Link Detox Smart is still not available to everyone. We slowly migrate everyone over to the new platform.
With the new Link Detox Smart plan you can start immediately by yourself.
Please note that depending on your domain you may need additional Link Crawl Budget.
If in doubt, just ask us.
Your comments right here on twitter please
Link Building has been called dead for years. The rules of 2003 certainly changed, and those who could not learn and adapt to the ever-changing rules and increased requirements on skills, tools, details then, of course, had to give up on their link building tricks. Google confirmed that links are the No.1 ranking factor and said Ranking without links is really really hard. The Google Core Algorithm is based on links, and that hasn’t changed since the inception of Google.
An observation in link selling It occurred to me that a lot of popular SEO and link building companies are selling links in a very inappropriate fashion based on my experience.
What are Links with Traffic, and how do you get them? I’ve been confused about a ’new standard in links with traffic’ when it was all about links getting traffic from organic rankings.